Cynnwys
Contents

3....... Cyflwyniad, Ymddiheuriadau, Dirprwyon a Datgan Buddiannau
Introductions, Apologies, Substitutions and Declarations of Interest

4....... Offerynnau nad ydynt yn Cynnwys Materion i Gyflwyno Adroddiad Arnynt o dan Reol Sefydlog 21.2 neu 21.3
Instruments that Raise no Reporting Issues Under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3

4....... Offerynnau sy’n Cynnwys Materion i Gyflwyno Adroddiad Arnynt i’r Cynulliad o dan Reol Sefydlog 21.2 neu 21.3
Instruments that Raise Issues to be Reported to the Assembly Under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3

4....... Papurau i’w Nodi
Papers to Note

5....... Cynnig o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.42 i Benderfynu Gwahardd y Cyhoedd o’r Cyfarfod
Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to Resolve to Exclude the Public from the Meeting

Cofnodir y trafodion yn yr iaith y llefarwyd hwy ynddi yn y pwyllgor. Yn ogystal, cynhwysir trawsgrifiad o’r cyfieithu ar y pryd.

The proceedings are reported in the language in which they were spoken in the committee. In addition, a transcription of the simultaneous interpretation is included.

Aelodau’r pwyllgor yn bresennol
Committee members in attendance

Alun Davies

Llafur
Labour

Suzy Davies

Ceidwadwyr Cymreig
Welsh Conservatives

Dafydd Elis-Thomas

Plaid Cymru
The Party of Wales

David Melding

Y Dirprwy Lywydd a Chadeirydd y Pwyllgor
The Deputy Presiding Officer and Committee Chair

Swyddogion Cynulliad Cenedlaethol Cymru yn bresennol
National Assembly for Wales officials in attendance

Stephen Boyce

Y Gwasanaeth Ymchwil

Research Service

Gwyn Griffiths

Uwch-gynghorydd Cyfreithiol
Senior Legal Adviser

Lowri Harries

Dirprwy Glerc

Deputy Clerk

Naomi Stocks

Clerc

Clerk

Dr Alys Thomas

Y Gwasanaeth Ymchwil
Research Service

Dechreuodd y cyfarfod am 14:46.
The meeting began at 14:46.

Cyflwyniad, Ymddiheuriadau, Dirprwyon a Datgan Buddiannau
Introductions, Apologies, Substitutions and Declarations of Interest

[1] David Melding: Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to this meeting of the Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee. I start with the usual announcements: in the event of a fire alarm, which will not be a routine one if we hear it, please follow the instructions of the ushers who will help us leave the building safely; switch electronic devices to at least silent; these proceedings will be conducted in Welsh and English, and when Welsh is spoken there is a translation on channel 1, and channel 0 will amplify our proceedings. We do expect full attendance at committee today.

Offerynnau nad ydynt yn Cynnwys Materion i Gyflwyno Adroddiad Arnynt o dan Reol Sefydlog 21.2 neu 21.3
Instruments that Raise no Reporting Issues Under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3

[2] David Melding: Item 2 are instruments that raise no reporting issues. They are, however, listed there for you. Are we content? We are.

14:47

Offerynnau sy’n Cynnwys Materion i Gyflwyno Adroddiad Arnynt i’r Cynulliad o dan Reol Sefydlog 21.2 neu 21.3
Instruments that Raise Issues to be Reported to the Assembly Under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3

[3] David Melding: Item 3 are instruments that do raise reporting issues. There is just one, and there is a Government response, which I think is the usual response, basically, to this particular—

[4] Alun Davies: It’s word-for-word the usual response.

[5] David Melding: Yes, indeed. Shall we note that?

[6] Lord Elis-Thomas: Just because you were once in Government—[Inaudible.]

[7] Alun Davies: I’ve read it before; six years on this committee. [Laughter.]

Papurau i’w Nodi
Papers to Note

[8] David Melding: Item 4—there are several papers to note. There’s a letter from the Minister for Finance and Government Business relating to the Tax Collection and Management (Wales) Bill, following her evidence session on 28 September. Then, there is a series of correspondence and reports emanating from Bruce Crawford MSP relating to inter-governmental relations and new provisions in the Scotland Bill. And there is a transcript of the First Minister’s evidence to the House of Lords Constitution Committee inquiry into the union and devolution. I suggest we note all those, and when we’re in private session, if there are any issues that you want to follow up from the papers to note, then that’s fine.

14:48

Cynnig o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.42 i Benderfynu Gwahardd y Cyhoedd o’r Cyfarfod
Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to Resolve to Exclude the Public from the Meeting

Cynnig:

Motion:

bod y pwyllgor yn penderfynu gwahardd y cyhoedd o weddill y cyfarfod yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.42(vi).

that the committee resolves to exclude the public from the remainder of the meeting in accordance with Standing Order 17.42(vi).

Cynigiwyd y cynnig.

Motion moved.

[9] David Melding: I now move the relevant Standing Order that we conduct the rest of this short meeting in private, unless I see any Member object. I do not see any Member objecting, so please switch off the broadcasting equipment. I don’t think there’s anyone in the gallery, but if someone should have sneaked in, please request them to leave.

Derbyniwyd y cynnig.
Motion agreed.

Daeth rhan gyhoeddus y cyfarfod i ben am 14:48.
The public part of the meeting ended at 14:48.